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Electronic/digital treatments and manipulations of an ad-hoc conversation with code-concrete/synthesised-sound artist Ruben Patiño (aka. Pato) touching on a brief history of electronic music, the soundtrack, material approaches to code and ending with the concrete brush and gargle of toured mouth at Kottbusser Tor. This substrat featurees edited tracks from Pato including excerpts from para_gouda, and broken cosmic pocket.